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Post by elvenjedi12 on Jan 20, 2005 8:22:01 GMT -8
yes yes...a topic that always stirs up a good debate. Im bored and wouldnt mind seeing some opinions up on the bored... who wants to step up to the plate first?
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Post by navyceals on Jan 22, 2005 3:05:53 GMT -8
I'll start with, I am very qualified in this field. I've taken a few criminology classes and somehow I get the same debate in them all, either to legalize marijuana or to keep it as a crime. So I probably have about 16 pages of this topic written by myself and have read many books.
This topic is a really big, happening thing in Canada, since Legalizing marijuana is not just a dream (as it still is in the US, i'd say), but a definite reality. Already the laws are so weak here, police won't really do much for possession, dealers might be fined and growers will probably be punished, but that could change soon.
I'm sure as people post on this board, they'll put their reasons either for or against, and from studying it so much I have to say that neither side stands out very much.
My position? I'm against legalizing it. And that's mainly from a moral standpoint, marijuana is only boarderline bad, but its the slippery slope effect (that was my keyword i used for one of my debates). The rebel kids who thought they were cool smoking marijuana will now have to go smoke something else, and soon enough something worse will be debated to be legalized, and then something else, so it can't be let to start.
NavY_Ceals
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Post by alone on Jan 22, 2005 15:10:57 GMT -8
My view? Very against it.
1st thing, common sense. It's stupid. Why would you want to legalize something bad to your health? Lots of people want to legalize for their own reasons. I've heard a lot of people say "Let's legalize it for medical purposes." The people that I know that say it, don't know what they are talking about.
For the medical purposes, it's not smoking it. And my friends just want to smoke themselves stupid.
First experience was in 8th grade. But anyways, if we legalize marijauna, isn't it the same thing as just letting kids under 15 start smoking cigarrettes?
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Post by barneypwnz on Jan 29, 2005 10:36:58 GMT -8
Smoking Marijuana... Never tried it. I don't think I will. I don't really care if it's legalized or not, but in the long run I think it's better if it isn't. 1st thing, common sense. It's stupid. Why would you want to legalize something bad to your health? Lots of people want to legalize for their own reasons. I've heard a lot of people say "Let's legalize it for medical purposes." The people that I know that say it, don't know what they are talking about. Well, let's outlaw alcohol, that's bad for your health, isn't it? And cigarettes. Judging by what you said, one of your reasons was that it's bad for you. Does that mean you want all things bad for your health not to be legal? Marijuana has destroyed many lives, as have alcohol and cigarettes. Lung cancer, alcoholic poisoning, it's all bad. I would be for it, during medical purposes. I don't know how many of you have seen The Barbarian Invasions, but it shows how ilegal drugs can really help you, when morphine isn't working all that great. (It's a French-Canadian movie, by the way). If I was dying, and I was in extreme pain, I would gladly puff all the marijuana I could handle. With only hours left to live, I really think that by the way people describe it, it would be for the better. Some call the first time "Ride of the Dragon" because it's so intense. I mean, if anyone here was in the situation that I described above, what would you do? That concludes my point. Barney
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Post by greeny on Feb 27, 2005 16:36:47 GMT -8
well in canada, there's no time until it will be legalized, thanks to the use of it for medical purposes. However, I am for it, because of this usage(medical) but for personal/recreational use, it must still be administered by a doctor or some sort of professional, and also the use should be closely monitored, and each person could only be given so much at certain intervals. The bad part about legalization is pot heads shall be roaming the streets and towns of Canada in broad daylight, and nothing will be done against it. I am against it because it will be an awful thing and also, what will it teach young people? It will just show that it is okay to smoke up. Because of this, I am against it. In all, I am borderline. I would say I am for the occasional usage of it but against the legalization of it. At least when it's illegal people try to do it in private and don't show it off.
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Post by rabidgecko on Feb 27, 2005 19:08:29 GMT -8
maybe your right greener, but think of it this way.
Most potheads smoke weed because they want to and they don't particularly care whether or not it is illegal. Legalizing it wouldnt neccessarily lead to a dramatic increase in potheads in Canada. (there are some people inevitably who will consider smoking after it is not longer illegal). But you cant forget that most people who smoke marijuana smoke it because they got addicted and because they dont care very much whether or not it is illegal as long as they can get some.
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Post by greeny on Feb 27, 2005 20:59:00 GMT -8
Yes rabid, i understand your point, but I think you missed mine. I'm saying that I don't really mind people smoking and whatnot, but it is the public... embracing of it that i fear. Also, the main point i felt i was trying to make was that I did not want to see people openly smoking marijuana, and being high in public, rather than doing it privately within one's home. It's not that there would be an increase or anything like that, its the public use of it that would make me nervous, and also the increased effects and abuse of it in the cities and general public. Sorry if I was unclear.
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Post by rabidgecko on Feb 28, 2005 15:54:25 GMT -8
and I think you are thinking of your post too much. I never said that what you said wasnt true. I just simply showed a different point of the arguement. Im sorry if this isnt all about you and how is the public use of it so frigtening to you? you see it all the friggen time in vancouver that you should be more used to it by now. now somebody from lets say the MIDDLE OF SASKATCHEWAN could feel awkward, but not you.
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Post by greeny on Feb 28, 2005 17:35:10 GMT -8
youre makin it look like vancouver is cracktown gecko! people arent openly stoned near as much as you are making it look to be, or at least at places us teens usually hang around (except that damn "deaf" guy.. i dunno what he was on..) so yeah. its just im picturing in my head a way worse situation than you are. It definitely could be alot worse than it is though, you know that too. If legalization occurs, we might see potsmokers as much as cigarette smokers, out in the streets, lighting up. You gotta admit that's not the situation here in vancouver. Also, what pot does with your brain and inhibitions and such.. well u know that bit, and people just might be wandering around/doing whatever in public while under the influence. it'd be just like drunks in public, but at least there are laws against that stuff while out in public and the legal limit and stuff. thats where my original point was made, with the restrictions. feel free to argue and such, cya
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Post by greeny on Feb 28, 2005 17:36:13 GMT -8
also, marijuana isnt all that addictive, but is just a recreational drug.
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Post by rabidgecko on Mar 1, 2005 18:14:02 GMT -8
well you sure are pessimistic. its not that im for legalizing it, cuz im against it, but its not like the druggies are gonna roam the streets like lost sheep or retarded pigs. Plus i dont think we need to name too many names of people who know who might be on pot but are funny or cool *cough warwyck* heh jk
but yea you cant disagree that you have in your lifetime seen a stoned guy just walking around on the street. it happens anyways and its only gonna get a little worse after the legalizing would happen. besides, just because you are allowed to smoke pot doesnt mean that doing shit under the influence would be legal too. if you got high then robbed a place cuz of munchies or trashed some kids bike you still get in trouble
so yea, im against it but it would help the gene pool a little bit, by removing those idiots dumb enough to smoke then be physically active after.
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Post by greeny on Mar 1, 2005 19:38:47 GMT -8
haha true that but yeah mainly when we see them stoners (excluding them from school ) its usually.. yennow in localed such as where the "deaf" man was. i think people would be more open about it. Edit: So in conclusion i think that our arguments have almost blended into one, and we are thinking along the same track.
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Post by navyceals on Mar 5, 2005 16:07:33 GMT -8
Lol, I think that Vancouver is a crack town . Laws are too lenient as they are. I work downtown and on my trip there, just walking down one particular block, I'm usually asked by at least three different individuals whether I would like to buy "buds, weed, buds, weed." There is no way the police can miss that, its just a very low priority. I agree that although its too public as it is, because it is still "illegal" most people try to keep it somewhat secret, which is a good thing. Just recently, up here in Canada, 4 of our police (RCMP) officers were killed over marijuana. Which I'm sure would lead some people to want to legalize it, but I don't really see that helping things, and besides I don't think giving in is ever good. If marijuana became legal, the price would drop and then growers would just switch to growing a different "illegal" drug. And that illegal drug might not be so borderline as marijuana, it might be bad for our kids and then there would be more of that!! NavY_Ceals
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Post by metallicarulez on Mar 6, 2005 13:35:38 GMT -8
Hmmmmmmm. Which side am I on Well, What people do in there own time is none of my business or of anyone elses. The more you ban it the more that people are going to do it....But then again the more its legal the more kids are going to get a hold of it. So this is why im glad i dont make the decisions
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Post by greeny on Mar 30, 2005 18:53:45 GMT -8
I agree that although its too public as it is, because it is still "illegal" most people try to keep it somewhat secret, which is a good thing. lol navy agrees with me... whoot whoot -----------Greeny
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