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Post by porsche944s on Jan 30, 2007 14:52:59 GMT -8
As for people saying that marijuana kills... well... cars kill, yet alot of people still drive out on the road. Cars are like guns. They can be used to kill someone, but in the end it takes a person to pull the trigger. So if we don't outlaw marijuana, let's outlaw people who smoke it. In fact let's make people in general illegal.
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 30, 2007 15:10:49 GMT -8
I agree wholeheartedly porsche. Exalted.
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Post by porsche944s on Jan 30, 2007 17:12:04 GMT -8
Sorry everyone, but you're not allowed here anymore. Now its time to show Mexico what illegal immigration is all about
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Post by Prone on Jan 30, 2007 19:26:35 GMT -8
Yah, let's migrate down there and see if vicente fox cares.
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Post by technohawk on Jan 30, 2007 22:31:44 GMT -8
Yah, let's migrate down there and see if vicente fox cares. Since he's not the president of anything anymore, he probably wouldn't give a damn. Legalize it, tax it and control it, just like liquor and use the extra money for other matters.
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Post by Compbasher on Apr 26, 2007 18:41:22 GMT -8
I came across an interesting argument when researching for my philosophy final. Its by a guy named Boaz and while his thesis is bare-necessity simplistic( We should legalize drugs), his argument is generally agreeable.
1) We should let people do what they want as long as it does not interfere with other peoples rights.
2) Drug use doesn't interfere with other people's rights.
3) Thus, people should be allowed to use drugs.
While he has other arguments, some in which I disagree with, Ill let this be tossed around before I add any of his other statements.
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Post by tranceeagle on Apr 26, 2007 20:19:56 GMT -8
Well it could be argued that a person under the influence of drugs is more likely to commit a crime, whether that is true or not I don't know. If it were true than drug use would interfere with other people's rights.
But the same could always be said of alcohol.
I myself don't drink, don't smoke and don't do drugs but I'm for the legalization of some drugs like marijuana. Even if legal I'd probably not try any.
So either legalize some drugs or make alcohol illegal again, since alcohol has many of the same negative effects of narcotics.
Banning cigarettes entirely would be a good idea as well, since they have almost no redeeming value.
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Post by Compbasher on Apr 26, 2007 22:48:03 GMT -8
Boaz would counter your response in your opening sentence by stating "What people do on drugs is what interferes with other peoples rights; NOT drug use itself." He furthers illustrates his point by arguing that people would normally not do the things they did/do while on drugs sober.
As for your alcohol/drug analysis, softcore drugs are much safer than alcohol. Since alcohol is legal, it is more widespread and thus easier to obtain and consume in often unhealthy doses. However, simply because I enjoy and consume it safely, I would not endorse the reappearance of prohibition.
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Post by softspoken on Apr 27, 2007 13:45:33 GMT -8
Before I begin, I apologize if I repeated anything anyone said (I didn't read the arguments from the beginning of the thread) I agree, alcohol is just as bad if not worse than the "softcore" drugs out there. For your physical and mental health. I see more people getting in brawls when they're drunk than those who are stoned out of their minds. Alcohol makes a lot of people violent whereas the softer drugs do no such thing. I still don't think marijuana should be legalized though because it honestly effects everybody differently. One person can develop psychosis (or other mental disorders) much faster and easier than someone else - this is an obvious fact. If it were legalized, it would be available more easily and therefore these risks would then most definately be increased. But then there is the fact that if it WERE legalized, it would reduce the risks of "laced substances" that is to say those substances which are cut with chemicals or other drugs much harder which cause the buyer to become addicted and keep coming back to the same dealer for more. This would be one good thing, but - I don't believe that anything that alters your mind, not to mention body, should be legalized. No good comes from it other than creativity, I believe. But if something can be created from an altered state of mind, well it's not real art or whatever it is it was created - it's not from the heart, it's from the drugs. I think people should be able to find their natural high, whatever way it is they receive it, and work off that. I don't know, I can't explain it well, but drugs, substances that alter one's natural state is nothing good. You aren't living life, you're riding on something (whether it's one minute or a lifetime, doesn't matter), the climb of life is one that is explored much better on foot. ARGH. I just mean drugs are bad, okay?! Legalizing it just shows people they're okay and have no harm, but then again there are many things widely available to us that harm us. It's very much a close call.
I say nay though. Drugs blow. After something isn't strong enough you move up. Then you move out.
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Post by Prone on Apr 30, 2007 16:49:12 GMT -8
In reading basher's comments about boaz, It is understood that the guy knew what he was talking about. Yet, if it is legalized, there would be inherent infringement on everybody's rights. People would be doing things that would be hurting those around them, and you can't have that. It's better to have a system where everyone gets along.
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Post by tyrantisius on Apr 30, 2007 18:17:47 GMT -8
I fail to see how one guy smokin' up in his garage every day hurts other people. The same rules would apply to marijuana as there are to tobacco. Separate rooms for smoking, etc, so no horrible second hand smoke, you douche. People do much more harmful things under the influence of alcohol, and thousands more people die because of it. (Not that smoking marijuana ever killed anyone in the first place)
And who says everyone's getting along with the current system, eh?
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Post by ga on May 8, 2007 9:58:01 GMT -8
^ time to go to mexico.
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Post by three2one on Aug 10, 2007 18:28:48 GMT -8
I like how everyone is saying Marijuana is bad for you, find me one case of someones death being attributed to marijuana. I am not trying to say it is good for you, but damn near everything is somewhat bad for you nowadays. I also disagree that if it was legal more kids would start smoking at a young age. I don't know about you guys but before I turned 21 I could get weed a whole lot easier than I could get Beer. I think the main reason it is still illegal is because if the government was to legalize it they would also tax it like they do tobacco, but people can grow their own weed and smoke it without being taxed were I doubt there are many people growing tobacco so that they can roll their own cigarettes.
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Post by ♪Mr.Obv♫ on Oct 8, 2007 18:45:54 GMT -8
So recently one of my good friends was expelled from my high school for having marijuana with him on campus. I was talking about this with one of my older friends who is mainly anti-drug, anti-alcohol, etc. and he was saying how people should be ratted out for having "drugs" ( I don't think of weed as a drug) and kept going on and on about how its harmful and people can die from him. I told him that he was pretty retarded (Summarized) and ended the conversation after a heated debate that lasted for about 15 minutes. It went something like this:
Me: Blah friend expelled blah blah I think I know who ratted him out. Friend: People should be ratted out for that. It's a drug! It f**ks with peoples minds. Me: Are you serious? Give me one reported case of someone dying from weed. Friend: I don't need to. I learned this in Biology. You will too. It screws up your mind. It takes away all motivation to do something productive. Me: .. but.. No one has DIED. And If they have it is because they have respiratory problems and shouldn't even be breathing. Friend: Dude, it is a drug, that's why it is illegalized. Me: No it is illegalized for a completely different reason. Plus, it's not a drug. It's a plant. For something to be a drug you have to take something and add chemicals to it. Friend: First off, what's the other reason it is illegalized? And yes, it is a drug because it f**ks with your mind. Me: To answer your question, it was illegalized because cotton growers saw hemp as a rival. To respond to your point, A drug is something that f**ks with your mind? What the f**k? Do you have any knowledge about drugs? Friend: Dude it's a f**king drug. That's why its illegalized. That's why its not going to be legalized. Me: Ok, since we're not making any progress here I'm gonna ask a different question. Should weed be used for medicinal purposes, outlawed completely, or legalized. Friend: It should be used for medicinal purposes only.
Here's where I stopped this because I grew tired of trying to convince someone about something that they were soo sure was something horrible. His half of this conversation was redundant. He also used the infamous "It kills people" argument to which I responded with the "Thank You for Smoking" argument That since planes can people we should outlaw planes. I believe That someone said it.. Ahh Here it is.
As for people saying that marijuana kills... well... cars kill, yet alot of people still drive out on the road. Cars are like guns. They can be used to kill someone, but in the end it takes a person to pull the trigger. So if we don't outlaw marijuana, let's outlaw people who smoke it. In fact let's make people in general illegal.
This is a very valid argument but at the same time, not. Porsche said that it takes someone to pull the trigger. Weed takes someone to smoke it for them to "Die". I'd just like to see ONE legit reason for why weed is horrible for people.
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Post by rabidgecko on Oct 9, 2007 15:20:55 GMT -8
um... no
but yea... other than that... you know maybe... you shouldn't care quite so much ignore your friend's view, because if he doesn't want any it means there's more on this good earth for you
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