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Post by cagedinsanity on May 27, 2006 6:46:30 GMT -8
Before i get off on a rant , i'd like the reader to know that i have been a habitual user of the "Devils Weed" for...hmm well its safe to say about 80% of my life. So keep that in mind. So, uh, how old are you? I thought you were around 20ish, but that would mean you've been smoking since age 4... Uh... www.marijuanaaddiction.info/effects-of-marijuana.htm.. Before i get off on a rant , i'd like the reader to know that i have been a habitual user of the "Devils Weed" for...hmm well its safe to say about 80% of my life. So keep that in mind. ...What's going on here? Care to explain this further? 'about 80%' meaning its an estimation. But if you want to look at my post that way, i started when i was 15 and I am 33. So i suppose i made a incorrect estimation didnt I? That website you posted holds no validity. I can find hundreds of sources saying just about anything on pot, Good or bad. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.htmlSo its a choice, washingtonpost vs marijuanaaddiction.com The domain chosen for your source is a clear pointer to what side of the debate its on. Any user of marijuana should know, that it is not addicting in the slightest. It isnt any more addicting than a computer, video games, or anything else you can become addicted to. If you quit smoking cigarettes after a few years, upon trying to quit you will become irritable, and slightly 'nauseated?', and in my case i also had headaches. But quitting pot the only thing you SHOULD feel is a personal desire/want to smoke some more pot. It has no physical addiction, only the desire for it. I disagree with the use of pot because most people cant use it responsibly, not to mention, to most people responsible use of it would defeat the purpose of smoking it. Every pot smoker has a reason why they smoke it. But i think we could take advantage of it scientifically. I personally dont care what Consenting Adults do behind closed doors, as long as it doesnt affect anyone else, let people do as they wish. Im sure your going to pick through my post trying to find as many errors as possible, i hope you feel satisfied and proud of yourself upon completion. God knows theres a lot of em, errors can and will be made and I am glad i have someone like you to correct my every mistake =)
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Post by grayfox7 on May 27, 2006 8:11:50 GMT -8
Im sure your going to pick through my post trying to find as many errors as possible, i hope you feel satisfied and proud of yourself upon completion. God knows theres a lot of em, errors can and will be made and I am glad i have someone like you to correct my every mistake =) ? I wasn't planning on even posting here again, but alright... 'about 80%' meaning its an estimation. But if you want to look at my post that way, i started when i was 15 and I am 33. So i suppose i made a incorrect estimation didnt I? I thought you were way younger. My mistake. That website you posted holds no validity. I can find hundreds of sources saying just about anything on pot, Good or bad. www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.htmlSo its a choice, washingtonpost vs marijuanaaddiction.com The domain chosen for your source is a clear pointer to what side of the debate its on. Any user of marijuana should know, that it is not addicting in the slightest. It isnt any more addicting than a computer, video games, or anything else you can become addicted to. If you quit smoking cigarettes after a few years, upon trying to quit you will become irritable, and slightly 'nauseated?', and in my case i also had headaches. But quitting pot the only thing you SHOULD feel is a personal desire/want to smoke some more pot. It has no physical addiction, only the desire for it. The only reason I posted a link to that website is because you said you didn't think marijuana actually led to any health risks. I googled "marijuana effects" and that was the first site that popped up. Yes, the domain name indicates which side of the fence the site is on, and I hesitated about posting the link for that reason. I've also shown the site to one of my friends before who is a heavy pot-smoker and he told me a lot of it was untrue. The effect I keep hearing most about is hypogonadism, which was pounded into my head by a notoriously conservative school teacher. But isn't that a physical addiction if you have a craving for more pot after quitting it? You'd still want cigarettes too after quitting those. And if you can become addicted to a computer, to video games, to anything else, well, that's addiction all the same. I don't see why you can't also become addicted to marijuana. I disagree with the use of pot because most people cant use it responsibly, not to mention, to most people responsible use of it would defeat the purpose of smoking it. Every pot smoker has a reason why they smoke it. But i think we could take advantage of it scientifically. I personally dont care what Consenting Adults do behind closed doors, as long as it doesnt affect anyone else, let people do as they wish. Haha, alright. I'm for legalization too. Did I just surprise you? Hey, I even feel kinda proud of myself.
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Post by germloucks on Jun 24, 2006 10:40:49 GMT -8
In the next 24 hours 15,006 teens will use drugs for the first time
The number of drug deaths in the US in a typical year is as follows:
* Tobacco kills about 390,000 * Alcohol kills about 80,000 * Sidestream smoke from tobacco kills about 50,000 * Cocaine kills about 2,200 * Heroin kills about 2,000 * Aspirin kills about 2,000 * All illegal drugs combined kill about 4,500 people per year
**Source: NIDA Research Monographs
Everything that the conservatives decry about marijuana being a gateway drug are true. Marijuana is a "soft" drug. It has nothing of the effects of, say, cocaine or heroin. I think you would be hard pressed to document a significant list of marijuana related deaths. Im sure they have happened, but they are not frequent enough.
If you take a look at the previously listed statistics, you see a huge disparity between legal alcohol and tobacco, and all other illegal drugs. Alcohol/tobacco kills over 590,000 people every year. ...Oo.. That is an outrageous number.... in contrast, 4,500 is the approximate number of deaths from ALL illegal drugs combined.
What could be reasons for this?
1) smaller number of users. The penalty for obtaining/making/selling/using any illegal drug is HARSH. Most have mandatory jail time attached to a conviction. This tends to scare the less robust users away.
2) availability. You cant go to your local grocery store, and pick up a half-kilo of dope. Its a huge underground world out there, filled with connections, hook-ups, and mules. All of them doing what they need to support thier habit, or make an outrageous amount of money.
Most drug users that i have talked to have never used cocaine for a long period of time. Most have never even SEEN heroin. Ive talked to many who fell into the trap of methamphetamine. Especially in the midwest, where it is simple to produce, and conceal from the authorities.
The fact is, we are really dealing with a small percentage of the population who have the disease of addiction. These are the people that cannot safeley use any mind-altering substance. Its the same thing for every drug. It is a small percentage of the population, that is using a large percentage of the total consumed.
Ive seen people enter detox for heroin abuse. They spend 1-2 weeks in the worst hell of thier lives. The withdrawl is absolutely crippling. Some so bad, that they must be hospitalized. Funny thing is, people dont realize that Alcohol has one of the worst withdrawls out there. The hardcore drinkers can experience Grinmal (sp?) seizures that can KILL. They experience vast physical and psychological changes that can leave them emotionally crippled. Even light/moderate drinkers enounter hangovers.. noone likes those either.
What i want to do, is to underscore the damaging effects of the illegal drugs.. and WHY they are illegal. I dont really thing i need to go in-depth on that fact. Everyone knows how drugs can affect someone's life.
I also want people to realize the full extent of the dangers of Alcohol use. Alcohol is a dangerous substance. Its actually classified as a poison. But at low doses, its a mild/moderate Central Nervous System depressant, and psychoactive drug.
Contrary to some of what you might have heard... Over 70million americans have used marijuana. 30 million in the last year, and 10 million are regular pot smokers.... Look at these facts! Where are all the marijuana related deaths? Im sure you could find some.. but not even 10 percent of alchol alone.
After making these points, more needs to be said. There are MANY myths about marijuana use.
MYTH; Marijuana causes crime
FACT: Every serious scholar and government commission examining the relationship between marijuana use and crime has reached the same conclusion: marijuana does not cause crime. The vast majority of marijuana users do not commit crimes other than the crime of possessing marijuana. Among marijuana users who do commit crimes, marijuana plays no causal role. Almost all human and animal studies show that marijuana decreases rather than increases aggression.
MYTH: Marijuana smoke is more harmful than tobacco smoke (big one)
FACT: Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.
MYTH: Marijuana use is a major cause of traffic accidents
FACT: There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. At some doses, marijuana affects perception and psychomotor performances- changes which could impair driving ability. However, in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications. In contrast to alcohol, which tends to increase risky driving practices, marijuana tends to make subjects more cautious. Surveys of fatally injured drivers show that when THC is detected in the blood, alcohol is almost always detected as well. For some individuals, marijuana may play a role in bad driving. The overall rate of highway accidents appears not to be significantly affected by marijuana's widespread use in society.
MYTH: Marijuana use can be prevented.
FACT: There is no evidence that anti-drug messages diminish young people's interest in drugs. Anti-drug campaigns in the schools and the media may even make drugs more attractive. Marijuana use among youth declined throughout the 1980s, and began increasing in the 1990s. This increase occurred despite young people's exposure to the most massive anti-marijuana campaign in American history. In a number of other countries, drug education programs are based on a "harm reduction" model, which seeks to reduce the drug-related harm among those young people who do experiment with drugs.
*Lynn Zimmer and John Morgan. Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence, (New York: The Lindesmith Center, 1997).
Do you know that the US spends well over 7 billion dollars on marijuana prohibition? Despite this.. Marijuana is widespread and easy to obtain.. VERY easy.
America tried alcohol prohibition between 1919 and 1931, but discovered that the crime and violence associated with prohibition was more damaging than the evil sought to be prohibited. With tobacco, America has learned over the last decade that education is the most effective way to discourage use. Yet, America fails to apply these lessons to marijuana policy.
By stubbornly defining all marijuana smoking as criminal, including that which involves adults smoking in the privacy of their own homes, we are wasting police and prosecutorial resources, clogging courts, filling costly and scarce jail and prison space, and needlessly wrecking the lives and careers of genuinely good citizens.
Thank you NORML, and drugpolicy.org.
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Post by rbobatar on Jul 28, 2006 15:19:06 GMT -8
LOOKS LIKE THE PROHIBITION NAZIS GOT SERVED
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Post by Prone on Jan 23, 2007 15:44:39 GMT -8
I know this post is going to bite me in the rear!
Um, I hate to say it, but, guys, generally the people who want to do this, "GET SOME COMMON SENSE!" It's bad enough that 75 percent or more of highschool students already have had sex. Just grow up.
I don't want to have to deal with a "throng" of people outside of my house just smoking dubeys, because I don't smoke dubeys. Gosh, get some brains.
That stuff kills, and when you consider yourself to get marijuana, your getting yourself a death warrant. However, It may cut down production the ammount of marijuana being sold in america today.
During the early 1920s, when the constitution was ammended bannign sale of alcoholic beverages, more liquor stores sprung up than previously. Hmmm, DOWN WITH THE CURRENT SYSTEM!
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Post by ♦Whot♦ on Jan 23, 2007 16:05:29 GMT -8
Your wish has been granted... Just grow up. Gosh, get some brains. When will you stop being a hypocrite?
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Post by rabidgecko on Jan 23, 2007 16:23:02 GMT -8
prone just because you dont think the same way as everyone else doesnt mean you have to try to make us change our minds ok? stop being a saint. you can't save other peoples lives, but you can save your own. so do that.... if you really honestly think that pot is that bad, then wow...
.... so?
and let sleeping dogs lie, or in this case, dead threads stay forgotten
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 23, 2007 17:17:19 GMT -8
I have one thing to say... ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I know this post is going to bite me in the rear! Then why the HELL did you post it? Um, I hate to say it, but, guys, generally the people who want to do this, "GET SOME COMMON SENSE!" It's bad enough that 75 percent or more of highschool students already have had sex. Just grow up.
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Post by tyrantisius on Jan 23, 2007 18:25:34 GMT -8
Well every else mostly covered Prone's bashing, but one more thing....
You are a f*cking moron. So stfu.
And btw weed doesn't kill. Someone give me a link to a news site covering the death of someone by a disease caused by marijuana. Won't find one. The only way possible for people to die by it is by doing something stupid because of it's effects. That's it. Ever seen a commercial portraying illnesses directly caused by marijuana. Nope. Only accidents. Nothing more.
Do the same thing they did with alcohol, and we severely reduce crime, and therefore severely increase space in prisons, as well as make the Canadian Government very, very rich.
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Post by technohawk on Jan 23, 2007 18:48:31 GMT -8
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Post by porsche944s on Jan 29, 2007 7:04:05 GMT -8
Holy christ this is an old thread. Anyways.
Let's make taking drugs not already used for medical purposes absolutely illegal to smoke. And if someone isi caught dealing, put them in front of a firing squad :]
Stuff like cocaine is used in narcotics patches to ease pain, and that is fine. My own father used the narcotics patches for a few months after his cancer treatments. Call me biased, but it's a known fact that narcotics are better than that green planty stuff at helping pain.
Marijuana as a smokeable drug shouldn't be legalized at all. People argue that its good for helping quell pains; that it helps them recover. Sure, it might, until it kills you from smoke inhalation.
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 29, 2007 11:13:06 GMT -8
There is no known relationship between Marijuana and lung cancer. Google "Marijuana causes lung cancer" and I promise you the first 15 sites will be about how marijuana does NOT cause it
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Post by stellartrip on Jan 29, 2007 15:05:04 GMT -8
In general, inhaling any kind of smoke weakens your lungs. It is NOT just marijuana.
As for people saying that marijuana kills... well... cars kill, yet alot of people still drive out on the road.
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Post by Prone on Jan 29, 2007 16:02:22 GMT -8
Well, marijuana doesn't kill. It's the cancer that comes from damaged lungs that kills. It's smoking for years that you get cancer, and then you die because of it. Marijuana is one of them.
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 29, 2007 16:15:42 GMT -8
There is no known relationship between Marijuana and lung cancer. Google "Marijuana causes lung cancer" and I promise you the first 15 sites will be about how marijuana does NOT cause it The only way smoking marijuana would be impactingly dangerous would be if it had a cutting agent that, if smoked, is harmful (such as tar). Medicinal marijuana is pure, and if marijuana were legal it would be monitered to make sure if it's cut with anything it wouldn't be dangerous. Marijuana smoke does NOT cause lung cancer. The only reported marijuana-related deaths have to do with being high and doing something stupid. There has never EVER been a reported case of overdosing on marijuana.
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