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Post by ga on Jan 20, 2007 16:34:56 GMT -8
aiight, i know most of you like to stay on top of politics and like i said,Hillary Clinton has started her campaign for the leadership of the democratic party, the first step to becoming the first female president. this of course dispels all the rumors of "will she, or won't she?"
so it seems like the battle in the democratic party is going to be Clinton vs Obama. so i'd like to know which one deserves to be leader of the democratic party? not president.
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 20, 2007 18:49:02 GMT -8
You just got exalted for those two words.
Here's where I'm split. I like Barack and hate Hillary, and I've expressed why (The presence and lack of souls). However, I have different ideas on who would be the best leader and who would have the best chance to be leader. Confusing? Yes, a little.
The best leader is Hillary. By all means, the president is simply the public face of America. He/she is supposed to know how to act in the public face. In this aspect, Hillary has more experience than Barack. She also has a better grasp of politics, as Barack is young and hasn't had as much experience.
The most likely choice is Barack. He's young, he's relatively good looking (yeah yeah, bring on the gay jokes), and he's charismatic. People like him. He has a good sense of humor, and already he's beginning to draw a following, even though he hasn't even announced his candidacy. He will probably be the one the most vote for, even though (in my opinion, at least) he is less qualified.
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Post by Chalupa! on Jan 20, 2007 19:08:13 GMT -8
The most likely choice is Barack. He's young, he's relatively good looking AND he's a good kisser! I always wondered about you. Now it's confirmed!
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 21, 2007 11:47:59 GMT -8
Nicely done. By the way, I just realized I was wrong in my post - Barack announced his candidacy last week.
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Post by Prone on Jan 21, 2007 17:47:01 GMT -8
You've got to ask yourself, is hilary fit for the candidacy, with her husband's past in mind? She still has to have that what bill did on her conscious, and if she left him, it would be much better for her chances of ever being elected president.
I'd think the public's motives about voting for her would change drastically over the fact that she is still with bill clinton, who, after the monica lewinsky scandal, is still with her.
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Post by LostPeon™ on Jan 21, 2007 17:58:36 GMT -8
So you're basing who people are going to vote for in regards to what that candidate's spouse has done?
Yeah, that's sound logic there.
How can you presume "what Bill did" is "on her conscious?" People sometimes give others second chances.
I doubt divorcing Bill Clinton would have very much of, if any positive effect on her chances of winning the presidency. If anything, Bill, former President, Clinton would improve her chances.
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 21, 2007 18:20:31 GMT -8
Wow. I thought we already had an official Mister Obvious.
Even though Clinton had the whole Monica Lewinsky scandal, he still had one of the highest approval ratings of any president (George H.W. Bush having the highest in history, GO REPUBLICANS!). Not only that, but even AFTER his presidency, he has a following. People like him; they always have, and if anything he'll vastly improve Hillary's chances of being elected to represent the Democratic Party (I don't say for president because I'll never admit that a Dem. has a chance to win.)
...and might I add, Aww how cute, Peon and Prone are sig twins!
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Post by technohawk on Jan 21, 2007 20:23:44 GMT -8
Talking bout me? Or the guy with the name Mister Obv? As for me I find it better now to wait for someone else to point out Prone's um..... hmmm........ uhhhhh.... Nope, can't think of any word to describe it without offending someone. But anyways, that's how I shall attempt to interact with Prone. Is by letting others point out his_______ instead of me doing it and getting hated on for doing it. But politically speaking spouses rarely rarely rarely rarely ever divorce if they or the spouse is in politics. The spouse probably likes the power associated with their husband/wife in politics and thus doesn't care much about the extracuricular activities of their spouse. And: Divorce = political ruin. Sex scandal= minor setback. Being Gay = political ruin
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 21, 2007 21:05:01 GMT -8
I disagree. Ronald Reagan was divorced, and he was quite possibly the greatest president in history. Though I may be biased, seeing as I hate FDR.
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Post by technohawk on Jan 21, 2007 21:22:28 GMT -8
Ok I meant more about divorce while in office or running for office.
Regan got divorced 18 years before becoming governor.(Divorced 1948 remarried 1952 elected Govenor 1966)
Oh and he was a big fan of FDR. =)
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 21, 2007 21:59:38 GMT -8
Well, every great man has his misjudgements =)
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Post by porsche944s on Jan 27, 2007 16:55:27 GMT -8
What's your deal on FDR, noobsauce He kicked our sorry butts out of the Depression and then mobilized the American war machine, then kept it going for the better part of WW2 (till he died ). The majority of our war successes were under his leadership. Patton and MacArthur might have done the fighting, but they answered to him.
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 27, 2007 20:45:00 GMT -8
What's your deal on FDR, noobsauce He kicked our sorry butts out of the Depression Wrong. WWI kicked our sorry butts out of the Depression; he just happened to be there when it ended. Again, the American War Machine was going before FDR. He may have made modifications to it, but it's not like you can attribute this entirely to him; just like how you can't say the Democrats are responsible for the minimum wage increase because it's been in the works for the past 6 years at least, with both Democratic but majorly Republican contributions. Yes perhaps the better part of WWI, but it was Dwight Eisenhower who won us WWII. The biggest problem I have with FDR is that I honestly and truly think that he was trying to turn America into a Dictatorship; or, at least, as close to a Dictatorship as he could have it. 1.) He tried to pack the supreme court, a massive and unconstitutional use of his power 2.) He tried to silence Southern Democrats who dissented in 1938 3.) He ran for president a 3rd time straight, because apparently twice (a tradition by GEORGE WASHINGTON) was not enough for him. 4.) He passed the National Industry Recovery Act, widely considered as a way for FDR to give the government a hand in big business. Not only that, but you have his policies: Social Security - one of the biggest reasons for that huge percentage of your paycheck going to the government. With this, we pay old people, many of which have pension on top of all of this, so that they can NOT WORK and be an overall drain on our economy. Our paychecks are paying for your grandpa's weekly golf game. Welfare - with this one, we pay people because they're either too lazy to get a job (yes I do understand there are some exceptions with this, and no offense to the mentally handicapped) or because they've popped out so many babies that their current job can't support them all. What the f**k? Get off your asses, go get a part time job at the local walmart, and close your legs more often then just when you're driving. The New Deal - Some think of it as the reason we got out of the depression, but many true economists will tell you that if we had simply stuck with the laissez-faire (government stays away from business) policies, the economy would have run its course and may have even ended sooner than it did. Yes some of this is from wikipedia (#2 and #4 of fascism), but most of this is honestly what I think about FDR. He's wildly overrated, and while nothing really happened to harm our country during his presidency, I feel that if he'd had his way our country would be f**ked up right now. That's why I don't like FDR.
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Post by tyrantisius on Jan 27, 2007 21:30:23 GMT -8
What's your deal on FDR, noobsauce He kicked our sorry butts out of the Depression Wrong. WWI kicked our sorry butts out of the Depression; he just happened to be there when it ended. Scuse my while I correct the American on his own history. *Ahem.* The Depression came after WWI, noobsauce.
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Post by dxlightning on Jan 28, 2007 8:16:36 GMT -8
Shit, WWII kicked us out, rofl my bad . I guess I pulled a prone. I'll revise that part: WWII ended the depression, though as I said before, many economists will tell you that the depression could have ended earlier had it not been for the New Deal. Not only that, but the 1937 recession is recognized as the product of a tax over-reach by democrats. My bad for the slip up, I guess next time I'll have to check more of my facts
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