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Post by rabidgecko on May 23, 2005 13:09:41 GMT -8
Well, up here in Canada we don't have a pledge that we respect every morning, but at my school we all stand every morning for the national anthem. Just out of respect for Canada everyone stands even if they don't think the anthem is worth wasting precious school time . But thats too bad that that dude doesn't wanna do something as simple as that. It really is just gonna hurt him in the long run i think.
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Post by ♪Mr.Obv♫ on May 23, 2005 15:05:25 GMT -8
Two things. One you said it was a her like five times in your paragraph so you kinda gave that away.
And secondly, Here in the U.S. we have tolerance of religions. Which means that we will accept/consider any one persons beliefs or policies. So to say that it is stupid for someone to live in the U.S. and not say the pledge is not smart because people have a right that was set up by the Catholic church called "Natural Right" which states that every human being has the right to shelter, food, clean drinking water, etc. So if you say that this person should not be allowed to live in the U.S. because of their choice (which is probably their parents) is completely not your desicion.
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Post by LostPeon™ on May 23, 2005 15:29:27 GMT -8
The Pledge of Allegiance is not a religious thing. The part where God is mentioned can simply be left out by anyone who has differing opinions and does not wish to say that part. I feel that it is out of respect for your country and all those in it that you say the Pledge, but that's just my opinion.
I remember, back in grade school, we recited it every day. In high school, it was not as high of importance, however, as there was other things to attend to with teachers wanting to get as much teaching time in as possible. I digress...
But holding your middle finger over your heart while everyone else pays their respects is down right wrong. Just because someone doesn't understand others or share the same feelings does not mean that they should disrespect those others.
If she wishes to not say the Pledge and stand, that's all fine and good, it is a free country here. But she should quietly wait until everyone else is done and then continue on. No reason to make a big deal about it.
LostPeon
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Post by ♪Mr.Obv♫ on May 23, 2005 18:38:26 GMT -8
Ok. This girl has serious issues if she flicked off the flag. If she doesn't want to say the Pledge that is fine but as Peon said you should respect others beliefs I mean if the U.S. respects hers she does should too.
To Peon: The "Under God" part of the pledge makes people confused because they don't believe in God so they wonder why they should say something that they don't believe in.
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Post by LostPeon™ on May 23, 2005 19:10:07 GMT -8
And I was saying that they can just leave out the "under God" part and go on with their lives.
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Post by navyceals on May 23, 2005 22:58:10 GMT -8
Hmm well an interesting scenario. Not quite sure what my feelings are on it. I think that maybe choosing to not participate is a possibility, but that person shouldn't be going as far as to dishonour it. Up here in Canada for the most part, we don't have to say nothing, no allegiance, and despite what Rabid says, most places don't have to say our anthem either. I could see some positive sides to doing it though, since then at least the kids will at least know it!
NavY_Ceals
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Post by rabidgecko on May 24, 2005 10:39:55 GMT -8
sorry just to clarify, my school is the only school that i know of in vancouver where the national anthem is played every morning, and we dont sing it we just listen to it over the intercom
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Post by ♪Mr.Obv♫ on May 24, 2005 16:09:52 GMT -8
Link. The Constitution was signed by Catholics who wanted to change the ceremonies. So to get rid of the "Under God" part of the speech is like taking away history and saying that our founding fathers hated Catholocism. If they did Francis Bellamy would not have written the Plaedge that way.
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Post by LostPeon™ on May 24, 2005 16:50:36 GMT -8
on another note, she has defended it using the 1st ammendment she cant say she's exercising her first ammendment rights(thats free speech for the canadians here, though u probly know that already), because by refusing to say the pledge she is rejecting the republic and the constitution that gives her her first ammendment rights. Well, I suppose technically she is right under the 1st Amendment. She has the right to not say the Pledge. But, it's still disrespectful holding up her middle finger over her heart while the rest recite the Pledge. LostPeon
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Post by ♦Whot♦ on Jun 11, 2005 22:22:59 GMT -8
First of all, we dont even do assemblies nor sing anything in school like the national anthem or anything unless if you're in choir (Which im not now) and since I dont know the pledge of allegience, I have nothing to argue about it. But link, you are too harsh by saying that that person should not be allowed to live there.
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Post by Chalupa! on Jun 12, 2005 8:46:17 GMT -8
Also, on things like voting rights, how can she demand the rights to participate in a government that she so openly rejects? That's what freedom is all about. You can hate the government and if enough people agree, then it can be changed. If not, we would be a communist country where you have no choice but to pretend you love the Government. As far as the pledge goes though, I think that while a minor, in school, you have to follow the rules. If enough students decided they didn't agree with certain things so they wouldn't have to do them...damn, we might as well call ourselves Canada. (Just kidding guys! No Flames Please!) But seriously, I think the school can and should require the students to follow the rules because one could make an case against almost anything the school does, ie. I don't agree with running around the track for P.E., etc. It's a distraction to other students and i'm a firm believer that "your rights end, where my rights begin." Chalupa
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Post by yoshi323 on Mar 7, 2006 21:10:01 GMT -8
Personally, our school doesn't say the pledge, but if we did I wouldn't say this. I am a Christian, so I don't say it for different reasons than when other people say it just because it has the word god in it =-O. However, I think it should be said in whatever schools want it and that people can shoose to say it or not.
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Post by Prone on Jul 7, 2006 16:52:51 GMT -8
In my opinion, the word "God" should be left in the pledge of alleigance, becaus I mean, after all, this country was founded somewhat on the basis of religion. This country was united over 230 years ago, when the declaration of independance was signed by 55 freemasons, to put into affect a united nation which would be governed by one government. To take that right away would mean to take the freedom of religion away too.
Those who have a problem with the word "god" in the pledge of alleigance shouldn't say the word at all. They shouldn't take it to the next level. That would mean those who don't mind the word would be stricken of their religious rights as well.
This breach can break the nation as a whole, as its leaders will become divided.
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Post by germloucks on Jul 13, 2006 11:07:57 GMT -8
If people get all worked up about two words, then they have totally missed the point of life.
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