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Post by alink2thepast on Sept 5, 2005 17:49:26 GMT -8
well the thing is garbage, our government, IMO, is very anti business. Minimum wage is high enough, but government has such a strangling hold on business here that business have to charge more. Over business regulation is causing inflation and slowly killing the American dollar. In addition, business regulation causes outsourcing, so the business we have doesnt want to stay here any more because our frivilous standards completely kill their profit margin. Business outsourcing is a problem and also takes away countless jobs that could be available to the American workforce.
Then on top of that our government is wasting money every day on pointless and unconstitutional programs and government owned assets, so taxes are rediculously high. Actually, the average american worker works from January to June just to pay his taxes. Not to mention that 17% of every dollar in this country goes to paying off the interest on the national deficet. The amount going to the actual national debt is rediculous.
So not only does business regulation kill the dollar and the government is taxing away the rest, but Unions want even more from business. They harm business even more then our government and abuse the members of the union.
Bottom line, unions are necessary in a Lasie-affaires style government because there needs to be some sort of counterbalance to big business. But in America, a country where government regulation of business has become part of our politics, most Unions only do harm.
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Post by trashbag on Sept 6, 2005 3:44:53 GMT -8
hmmm
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Post by greeny on Sept 6, 2005 7:34:30 GMT -8
To a point LostPeon or Trash made.....
McDonald's is one of the best places to work at for work experience and a great name to put on your resume. Supposedly, they have the best training program on the planet, and if you work there, it shows you can work efficiently amidst chaos.
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Post by alink2thepast on Sept 6, 2005 9:33:30 GMT -8
The problem is, outsoucing takes jobs away. And we try to solve this by giving welfare. Unfortunately, many people on welfare make more than minimum wage and therefore have no incentive to work. Secondly, welfare is a huge governmnet expense and drives taxes up. So any poor people who work hard and find jobs, usually at minimum wage($5.15), then half their salary is getting taxed away. Thats why it is impossible to break the poverty line if you have kids and make minimum wage.
Some say the solution to this is to raise minimum wage. However all raising minimum wage would do is cause inflation and eventually negate the value of a wage increase because it devalues the dollar.
The solution therefore is to cut spending and stop regulation because that would increase income for families on minimum wage because of less taxes and would cause deflation, which would lower the cost of living.
However, doing this would mean unions are necessary to counterbalance big business and keep their standards at a reasonable level, without the "frivilous" things that just hurt business today. Not to mention that a free market economy fosters competition, so companies must compete with rival companies to make better products in order to survive on a commercial basis. And businesses that cant survive on a commercial basis shouldnt be propped up by taxpayers dollars.
Not to mention that business knows alot more about fixing economy than government.
And by the way, im not from a minimum wage family.
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Post by rabidgecko on Sept 6, 2005 17:34:29 GMT -8
greener then why dont you go work at mcdonalds then...id hate working there no matter how great it is for a resume id still rather do hard labour for minimun wage that work in mcdonalds for minimun wage
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Post by trashbag on Sept 6, 2005 17:38:07 GMT -8
hmm
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Post by alink2thepast on Sept 6, 2005 20:36:46 GMT -8
Right now we tax half of what they earn. If we stop doing that we could increase their income by 80% or more by cutting unconstitutional government spending. Article I: Section VIII of the Constitution clearly states what the legislature has the power to appropriate funds for and we do way more than that.
low production cost=low prices/lower cost of living
if they had more money but needed to spend less then they could get by and have the opportunity to make something more of themselves, or at least give their kids the opportunity to do so.
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Post by trashbag on Sept 6, 2005 21:09:58 GMT -8
hmmm
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Post by alink2thepast on Sept 7, 2005 5:08:10 GMT -8
The United States alone pays almost 30% of the United Nations expenses
We give money to bail out alot of business that couldnt survive on a commercial basis. "aka. Corporate Welfare" An example of this would be the $600 million spent supporting and subsidizing Maine fisheries.
Countless things like donating millions of dollars to the "National Shrimp Initiative".(im serious about this one, its a real thing.)
Here are the powers delegated to the legislature by the Constitution.
"Section. 8.
Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Clause 2:
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
Clause 3:
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
Clause 4:
To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
Clause 5:
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
Clause 6:
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
Clause 7:
To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
Clause 8:
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
Clause 9:
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
Clause 10:
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
Clause 11:
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
Clause 12:
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
Clause 13:
To provide and maintain a Navy;
Clause 14:
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
Clause 15:
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Clause 16:
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Clause 17:
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
Clause 18:
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. "
Basically anything the legislature spends money on to give it power outside of this. Now I realize that times change and there are some reasonable expansions of spending(like expanding the army and navy to include an airforce), but alot of it is just rediculous.
Im just curious trash, does the Award Wage system ever create legal problems(people demanding more money in court because of their interpretation of the system)? Or do people not do that because they'd get fired?
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Post by trashbag on Sept 7, 2005 15:08:19 GMT -8
hmm
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Post by alink2thepast on Sept 7, 2005 17:36:59 GMT -8
Thats not my image of the poor. I realize that the poor arent always poor just because they're lazy. But our govenments current economic policies take away too many jobs and there arent many available. I want to see an opening of the job market because of businesses not having to outsouce. More business in the country=more jobs. Also, if government owned businesses and assets were sold to private owners they could make money and create jobs.
Although they aren't necessarily all lazy now, I think that if jobs are available, and a person passes 30 help wanted signs as he/she walks home, then thats their problem.
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