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Post by ferrousmoon on Feb 4, 2009 19:29:43 GMT -8
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Post by ferrousmoon on Feb 5, 2009 10:50:35 GMT -8
Laughter is good medicine, but seriously. Any ideas on putting some of these age old religious rifts to rest? I think God would endorse a cease fire, personally.
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Post by LostPeon™ on Feb 6, 2009 0:06:52 GMT -8
Might have been better if they did the songs better. Half the time, it just seemed like a bunch of incomprehensible mumbling.
Still decently funny, though.
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Post by soulofthewoods on Feb 6, 2009 4:19:48 GMT -8
Ferrous, address that question to Doom in a politically evocative phrasing and he'll go on for a few pages. That'll get some posts going I think
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Post by ferrousmoon on Feb 6, 2009 13:41:54 GMT -8
Political with yet with a provocative title wouldn't work? If I address Doom specifically, he assuredly will not offer a response.
Yea, it is kinda jumbled at the start, but gets funnier as it goes.
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Post by ferrousmoon on Feb 23, 2009 2:43:58 GMT -8
Ffs, I guess I'll talk to myself on this one. Oddly, one of the best solutions I've heard came from Jon Stewart. An internationally controlled Jerusalem, with land concessions to both Gaza and the West Bank, enough to make them viable independently; or water solutions of some sort. The jewish settlers in the West Bank should've had more common sense... how do you say "pack up" in yiddish? oi vay
My addition to that would be to either turn Gaza over to egypt, by palestinian vote.. or to make them viably autonomous, it seems like they (gaza&westBank) would benefit to be seperate nations. They'd be larger than Milan, and similar to jurisdiction laws as Luxembourg- byways around the borders of Israel could be established if problems persist- hey it's their gas money. Personally, growing up by a river, it's sad to see foreign neighborhoods fight over a dried up stream. Fix the fundamentals first, then you might be able to work with the fundamentalists. Or... how 'bout a new religion!?
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Post by soulofthewoods on Feb 23, 2009 4:29:52 GMT -8
I am not presumtuos enough to presume that I can proficiently preponder this problem practically and propose a particular pupose for peace. So I must stay silently side-stepping any serious speaking so that I can mischievously usurp conversation while simultaneously simulating a studious and smart speaker. Alliteration is an interesting pass time.
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Post by ferrousmoon on Feb 24, 2009 11:34:27 GMT -8
Thanks for the move Whotzor. Oh, and I am fairly alliterate.
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Post by LedZeppelin on Feb 24, 2009 15:04:24 GMT -8
Okay first to address ferrous: 1) Hebrew, English, and Arabic are the spoken languages in Palestine (i'll be calling the whole region palestine), not Yiddish 2) Israel can't be internationally controlled if both the Jewish and Palestinian populations want all of it 3) Gaza doesn't want to be part of egypt any more than the west bank wants to return to jordan 4) Having gaza and the west bank as independent states is setting the stage for economic failure, just look at israel's blockade of gaza
I like to consider Thomas Friedman's view: Israeli Jews want three things: 1) All the land of israel 2) Democratic government 3) A jewish state and by trying to attain more than two of these they fail at all three, and if you cant follow that on your own: they dont control all the land of israel, theyre infringing upon the full political freedoms of the palestinians, and the muslim arabic population in Palestine outnumbers the Jews
Furthermore, there is no economic interest to any party accept maybe the defense contractors to continue fighting, the best solution is to create a one state solution in which the moderates in israel tell the far-right to go screw itself, grant full political rights and citizenship to the palestinians, and invest massively in reconstruction and education aid in gaza and the west bank so that the palestinians don't have to turn to extremist groups just to secure a job. Its sure a better use of money than making tanks and bombs.
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Post by ferrousmoon on Feb 24, 2009 17:53:15 GMT -8
I said internationally controlled Jerusalem, which is the primary area of concern since it carries important sites for 3 major religions. I know the difference between Yiddish and Hebrew, was just tryin' to be mildly entertaining with that one.
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Post by soulofthewoods on Feb 25, 2009 4:15:04 GMT -8
sure, and i think you meant fairly illiterate.
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Post by ferrousmoon on Feb 26, 2009 8:26:17 GMT -8
*shakes head disdainfully*
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Post by ♪Mr.Obv♫ on Feb 26, 2009 22:47:07 GMT -8
Well, speaking technically, Jerusalem is already internationally controlled, being divided into the Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and Armenian quarters, but I do understand your idea of political separation of the "holy city". But this just leads into a whole different conversation about Israel. I mean yeah, everyone understands that the Jews have been persecuted for over 2,000 years, but does that justify their (mis)treatment of their neighbors? Israel has been manipulating the United States for a long time (U.S. as Second state of Israel?) and I understand that they are vital to our role as a power in the Middle East, but its time for an ultimatum. Hopefully BHO can work with Livni and get some shit sorted in the Middle East and hopefully we can stop trying to impose our ideals on countries that don't want it, but hey, its America, we can do whatever the hell we want, eh?
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