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Post by PhoenixFlare500 on Nov 17, 2006 21:36:47 GMT -8
So I guess I should explain the title of the thread. This is the debate where you try to argue for the side that you disagree with. So the question shall be: Which is better, Coke or Pepsi? Here's my attempt at arguing for the clearly superior drink! ;D Pepsi is so much better because it goes down nice and smooth, and is filled with so much, um... flavor. Yeah. Wow this'll be hard.
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Post by Chalupa! on Nov 17, 2006 21:44:06 GMT -8
Phoenix- I think this is a fantastic idea, so an Exalt for you on this! This should be fun (and hard).
Coke is clearly the better choice. If I wanted Pepsi, then I would buy a coke and add a bunch of Sugar. Isn't that really the only difference?
Plus, Look at Pepsi's marketing plan: Sell to the youth. Why? Because youth are impressionable and drink what is popular. Why can't Pepsi just rely on selling it's product? Because it's product sucks. Coke markets taste and that's what we all really care about when it comes to our favorite beverage.
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Post by technohawk on Nov 18, 2006 0:21:31 GMT -8
Yes excellent idea for this Phoenix. May this be the first of many to come.
Now to my opposite opinion.
Coke is clearly the superior cola. People cannot go very long without the less sweet taste of coke because it is just so good.
Look at what happened when they tried to change the formula and made "New Coke". There were riots. People's lives were damaged and their tastebuds soured for many many days.
But when Pepsi made "Pepsi Clear" in the early 90's there were no riots because the people know what everyone else knew, nobody cared what Pepsi did because no one wanted to drink it anyways.
Another shining example of Coke's Superiority is the friends Coca-Cola keeps. McDonald's, the #1 chain of fast food restaraunts uses Coke and Coke related products to help their clientele wash down the grease.
Serving Coke could very well be the sole reason that McDonald's is the #1 fast food company in the world.
Because the #2 fast food company is Burger King, and what products do they use? Pepsi.
Obviously Pepsi does an inferior job at washing down the grease and people are forced to go to McDonald's for their grease-downing needs.
And while we're on the topic of friends let's talk about the ads.
Who does Pepsi use for their ads? Young pop stars, many of them female and sexy. Clearly this is a propaganda tool to sway the male populace away from Coke's natural goodness. And using SEX in commercials to sell a product, well that's just despicable.
Coke takes a far more inclusive approach to their advertisments. Groups of young males and female out rollerblading having a good time while the sun is still out. It is naturally assumed that the youths return home promptly to assist their parents in chores such as cooking and cleaning before going off to do their homework.
Then the seasonal adds with penguins and polar bears enjoying a frosty coke out in the south pole is very poignant. One such commercial brought me to tears with a polar bear cub sharing a coke with some penguins instead of brutally slaughtering those penguins for their juicy meat.
How could a product with such family orriented values NOT taste better?
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Post by LostPeon™ on Nov 18, 2006 7:57:16 GMT -8
Coke. I believe the strong points have already been made. One such commercial brought me to tears with a polar bear cub sharing a coke with some penguins instead of brutally slaughtering those penguins for their juicy meat. Need I say more?
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Post by PhoenixFlare500 on Nov 18, 2006 17:29:30 GMT -8
Look at what happened when they tried to change the formula and made "New Coke". There were riots. People's lives were damaged and their tastebuds soured for many many days. Clearly this shows that Coca-Cola is an evil corporation that doesn't care about their consumers! They'll do anything to take as much money away from the mindless who only drink their product and are too afraid to try new brands of cola. Okay, so since this debate is about Coke and Pepsi, I'm allowed to state my actual opinion on things other than that: McDonalds blows!!! Coke's affiliation with the worst fast-food restaurant in the world just goes to show how stupid their marketers are by supporting crap. It also provides more evidence that Coke has no thought for its consumers concerning their health and well-being, as McDonalds is probably one of the least healthy things you can eat. The very thought of this fills me with rage!!! Those penguins deserve to die, and that polar bear needs food! That is the dumbest cub I have ever heard of, as he will starve to death if he keeps refusing to eat the penguins. Clearly Coca-Cola does not care for nature either.
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Post by dxlightning on Nov 18, 2006 18:34:26 GMT -8
Look at what happened when they tried to change the formula and made "New Coke". There were riots. People's lives were damaged and their tastebuds soured for many many days. 1.) Clearly this shows that Coca-Cola is an evil corporation that doesn't care about their consumers! They'll do anything to take as much money away from the mindless who only drink their product and are too afraid to try new brands of cola. 2.) Okay, so since this debate is about Coke and Pepsi, I'm allowed to state my actual opinion on things other than that: McDonalds blows!!! Coke's affiliation with the worst fast-food restaurant in the world just goes to show how stupid their marketers are by supporting crap. It also provides more evidence that Coke has no thought for its consumers concerning their health and well-being, as McDonalds is probably one of the least healthy things you can eat. 3.) The very thought of this fills me with rage!!! Those penguins deserve to die, and that polar bear needs food! That is the dumbest cub I have ever heard of, as he will starve to death if he keeps refusing to eat the penguins. Clearly Coca-Cola does not care for nature either. You've got to be kidding me! Okay, I added numbers to your arguments so that everyone knows which I am addressing when. 1.) The reason "new coke" failed was because it TASTED TOO MUCH LIKE PEPSI. So a. That means that the general populus doesn't like the taste of pepsi and b. if the coca-cola company is so good they can make the awesome taste of coke and the inferior taste of pepsi, then that makes the pepsi-cola franchise completely useless! 2.) You say that coke has no thought for its consumers' health? Look at peon's post! Coke has less calories than pepsi, therefore being HEALTHIER than pepsi! Let's not overlook the fact that Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and heck, even KFC use only pepsi products around the nation. Let's see, Pizza...cholesterol? Grease? FAT? Taco Bell...uses..the lowest grade meat the government will allow? KFC deep fries everything but the bag they sell the food in? Plus, pepsi was the first soda to upgrade from the 8 oz bottles to the 12 oz bottles. More sugar, more calories, and pepsi is responsible for the portions today, which even go up to 1-liter in a single sitting! Don't give me any crap about coke not caring about health when pepsi is the same or even worse. 3.) This argument makes no sense. The commercial is aimed at humans, not polar bears, and was obviously computer animated. It's not like coke is going to get a polar bear, who somehow got a TV, to give up his primal instincts and stop trying to eat penguins. Besides, you're making this assumption on complete BS. Who knows the bear hadn't come from eating a few penguins? How do we know that right after the bear finished his soda, he decided to eat the penguins? No, this argument is completely illogical. Let's not forget also that without coca-cola, such great products such as sprite and dr. pepper would not have existed! What does pepsi have, the thousand times condensed caffeine drink called Mountain Dew? P.S. I, like Chal, also exalted you. This idea is brilliant.
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Post by LostPeon™ on Nov 18, 2006 20:39:48 GMT -8
Let's not forget also that without coca-cola, such great products such as sprite and dr. pepper would not have existed! What does pepsi have, the thousand times condensed caffeine drink called Mountain Dew? Let the record show that Dr. Pepper is not affiliated with the Coca-Cola Corporation. Dr. Pepper and 7-Up are actually owned by the Cadbury Schweppes corporation.
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Post by PhoenixFlare500 on Nov 18, 2006 20:58:13 GMT -8
Coke has less calories than pepsi, therefore being HEALTHIER than pepsi! Pepsi only has 3 more calories per 8 fluid oz. This is such a negligible amount that you can't make that statement. If you look at the sodium amounts, you'll see that Pepsi has just under 25% less the amount of sodium that Coca-Cola has, showing that Pepsi is indeed the healthier drink. Let's see, fast food in general... cholesterol? Grease? FAT? You can't just look at pizza and say it's unhealthy. Why, any restaurant that uses Coke is probably just as unhealthy. The last time I ate McDonalds I could've thrown up. McDonalds has quite possibly the worst fries I've ever eaten. KFC is now cutting down on the use of trans fats in their food, proof that they are conscious about their consumers' heath. Plus KFC just tastes great. As I mentioned above, Pepsi and Coke have about the same amount of calories. It's not who the commercial's aimed at, it's the image that it is promoting. This commerical depicts a hedonistic society within nature, where the polar bear is focusing on his pleasures rather than his needs. Actually I detect very little difference between Sprite and 7-Up other than the carbonation levels. Also Mountain Dew in Canada is not as caffeinated in America (although it still doesn't taste great, so I'll give you that).
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Post by technohawk on Nov 19, 2006 0:29:40 GMT -8
You can't just look at pizza and say it's unhealthy. Scene 1: Setting: Pizza Hut kitchenEnter Technohawk.Teen worker #1: Excuse me sir, you aren't allowed in the kitchen area. Technohawk ignores teen worker and moves towards the rear of the kitchen to the pizza ovens.Teen worker #2: Dude, what are you doing? Go sit at a table or something dude, it's like, like totally uncool. Technohawk arrives at rear and opens a random pizza oven and using kitchen gloves, removes a pizza and looks at it.Technohawk: Dramatic pause "You're unhealthy, pizza." End Scene 1Let's compare the records of McDonald's against it's competitors that use Pepsi. McDonald's: Offer's a Healthy Choice menu consisting of such things as Salads, Yogurt Parfaits, Grilled Chicken and "Protein Platers" for people on fad diets such as Atkins and/or "The Zone." Burger King: Offer's the Enormous Omelet Sandwich with 730 calories and 47 grams of fat -- more than a Whopper sandwich, which the Burger King Web site said has 700 calories and 42 grams of fat. Clearly McDonald's has a person's health in mind when they make food choices. Thus such a powerful company with such interest in people's wellbeing must also have chosen Coke over Pepsi due to Coke being a healthier choice in softdrink. Let's also look at the mascots of these two institutions of quickly served nourishment. McDonald's: A Fun loving, goofy looking Clown that's non-threatning who has a charity named after him. Burger King: "THe King": An extremely creepy "guy"(that looks more like a pedophile than a corporate logo) that will do such things as 1) Peek into your window and stare at you in the same manner as a deranged serial killer would. 2) Remove your girlfriend from the rear of your bike while you pass through a tunnel and pay you off from calling the cops with a Whopper sandwhich. And if you "Hurled" from McDonald's french fries then you were probably the target of a Burger King spy bent on damaging McDonald's good name by sabotaging their fries in a pursuit to keep people eating and drinking the unhealthiness in a box that is the Whopper and Pepsi combo. Let's look at another Pepsi dispenser. KFC. KFC has been constantly criticized by PETA(People for the Ethical Treatment of Assholes, er Animals) KFC brtually slaughters their chickens with no concern for the chicken's wellbeing during it's final moments. KFC could use more humane methods of killing the chickens but they refuse to. Because KFC(Which is ALSO going to start going by Kentucy Fried Chicken again) does not care about the wellbeing of living animals. If they don't care about the chickens, why would they care about a human's health? They don't care about your health and thus they have no qualms about having people guzzle down the vile unhealthy swill that is Pepsi. Which takes us back to the commercials. Animated Penguins NOT being slaugthered versus real life chickens being brutaly tortured before they are given a painful death. Is goodwill towards people that are "different" considered bad and hedonistic? I say it's a sign of goodwill towards others. It doesn't matter if you are on opposite sides of a conflict, when you share a Coke with an enemy, you make the world a better place. I'd like to buy the world a coke............................
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Post by LostPeon™ on Nov 19, 2006 1:37:21 GMT -8
Remember, we're not debating fast food here. Keep the topic in mind.
If you need to, make a new debate thread about fast food.
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Post by technohawk on Nov 19, 2006 4:00:28 GMT -8
Remember, we're not debating fast food here. Keep the topic in mind. If you need to, make a new debate thread about fast food. I believe it's still on topic because Fast Food Joints are one of the main places Soda is sold. And people's opinions of a specific soda can be based on the reputation of the places that sell it. Like/Dislike by association with another person/place/thing is very common in society. Thus here in opposite land, coke rules!
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Post by LostPeon™ on Nov 19, 2006 12:15:07 GMT -8
Remember, we're not debating fast food here. Keep the topic in mind. If you need to, make a new debate thread about fast food. I believe it's still on topic because Fast Food Joints are one of the main places Soda is sold. And people's opinions of a specific soda can be based on the reputation of the places that sell it. Like/Dislike by association with another person/place/thing is very common in society. Thus here in opposite land, coke rules! I realize that. However, my intention was to keep this from going off on a tangent about fast food, instead of the intended topic. Do not reply to this. Continue debating.
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Post by stellartrip on Nov 19, 2006 13:23:40 GMT -8
I just go for taste. I dont care about which one has better commercials, less healthy ingriedients, or which fast food place carries them. Plain and simple, coke sucks in opposite land. (this would also be my arguement if this wasn't an "opposite" thread)
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Post by dxlightning on Nov 19, 2006 13:26:08 GMT -8
I personally love the smooth taste of coke. When I'm at the bowling alley and I have a choice between coke or pepsi, I always go to the red vending machine.
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