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Post by Chalupa! on May 2, 2006 19:37:13 GMT -8
You chose to attact it instead of asking questions to further understand it, that is your loss. I'm surprised you think everyone is attacking you. By responding to your post's and giving a different view, that is attacking you? Wow. So far the only posts that have at least been objective and enjoyable have been the posts from the atheists. You mean the posts that have agreed with you the most? I enjoy all of the posts, even the ones that disagree with my view. By this statement phoenix a judge must do "what is just" regardless of his feelings. So if God is a judge and is sentencing someone he is following a set of rules BEYOND himself? Because how could God sentence someone even if he doesn't like to do it? Wouldn't he have created the law himself, or is there someone higher up the chain that created the laws? God set the rules. He is the enforcer of those rules. Do you think a judge sentences a person *only* because the law tells him to? He believes the person deserves it. It also doesn't make him mean. (Gosh, i'm afraid now that i'll be accused of attacking by having an opposing view) Good Night. God Bless. And read the whole post three times before responding so that you actually appear to sound like you KNOW what i just said instead of sounding like an idiot. I mean phoenix thought I was an atheist, Chalupa thought I was starting a religion/cult and Raen7 thinks I'm a misguided lunatic. You may be good at trivia, but you suck at reading and interpreting what I've had to say. Who's attacking people? Anyways, please don't be upset because I called a duck a duck. Let me help you out on this one: Websters Dictionary describes the word "cult" as follows: Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL 1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults> 5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion You clearly have a system of religious beliefs which are unorthodox and according to the Bible are spurious. If you disagree, I look forward to hearing about how your beliefs follow the word of God in any way. If they don't, then the definition fits. So by disagreeing with your views in a "debate" forum, we are being unkind? Practise what you preach. If anyone has an alternate view then they are attacking you, and don't have an open mind.
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Post by PhoenixFlare500 on May 3, 2006 11:22:30 GMT -8
And I'm sorry for calling you an atheist, but it just seems like you have a very different set of beliefs from contemporary Christianity (not conservative Christianity, but general Christianity)
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Post by mortalcry on Sept 2, 2006 0:18:34 GMT -8
Just to clarify the hell theory...the bible states that hell is the SEPARATION of man from god,....imagine......no good in your life what so ever, horrible, me thinks..
make sure you dont miss the point of our Lord.... to follow his path in faith and to live in his image even through the valley of the shadow of death and fear no man, but preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Word to all.
all God wants is for us to know Him as our Father and devine Love
if i could only love my kids as he loves me.....
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Post by Prone on Oct 14, 2006 11:30:58 GMT -8
Wow, i have not touched this topic once, so Let me give my view on this thing.
first off...
This quote came from techno's belief that there is no hell. If you believed that, then you'd be saying that everyone will get into heaven regardless of what they did here on earth. It doesn't matter what they've done, they will go to heaven in the end. It amazes me to think that you would believe that god wouldn't punish those who have done wrong even all their lives. You just went the whole distance with your theory that there was no hell, because everyone can repent, and it doesn't matter at all what they've done, since their "karma", we'll call it, here on earth could be changed at the last second in heaven.
Here's my view on what you've said on that. Your saying god can forgive everyone, but why would he do that, to let even the worst sinner into heaven after earth? That would mean that even the most littlest crime, to the biggest crime are the same in god's eyes, so that he would just let them in heaven. For mercy's sake???
My opinion is definitely opposite to what you have just noted.
God will forgive anyone who comes to him for forgivness. He just doesn't think to himself, "You know, he never was that good of a person back on earth, i don't think I should let him in." He actually tries to get that person into heaven. He could just do it on his own, but that would violate his principal of sin, started back in the garden of eden. If he let that person in, without even an ounce of forgiveness from that person, that would say he violated sin.
The loving part of god is being able to allow that person into heaven. This is only possible if the sinner repents, and to be able to say that he/she is sorry to god. This can only be possible if the sinner is connected to god in any way, and has the ability to know god will be the ultimate saving factor for the sinner. This can't happen just on a whim. The sinner would have had to have prior knowledge of god, even just a little knowledge, in order to be able to be saved.
This is a good character trait, as it allows you to be respondant to any opinion, and not just your own. Some people would just quiver at the opinion of someone else, and not even respond to it, but being able to allow the views of others is a really good trait.
I really hate it when people come down on you for your religion, but its going to happen no matter what you do about it.
The ultimate end of martin luther was having others come down on him for his catholic beliefs. He wrote countless books on how the church was wrong for doing the things it was doing.
Tetzel, martin's arch-enemy, would "scam" the believers of the church, into believing that they would have to buy their way out of sin, by indulgences. Martin preached against this kind of practice, which made the church leaders even more unruly, which led to his eventual hanging.
Secondly, I would like to give my opinion on this matter, not just on what techno said, but what i have to say too.
God is the highest authority in anything. He is the author of life and death. Jesus is his son, and is the mediator between life and death. He saves, which is by far, the most important thing any christian should believe.
Jesus came into this earth to teach the belief that God wants all to believe him, and to live the good life that he intended them to do. Jesus was God's one chance at accomplishing this, and it still goes on today, that is why churchs today intend to save the sinner by preaching exactly what jesus preached, on the mount of olives, or wherever he went to give his teachings.
The catholics have a belief that one can only repent of his sins if he goes to a "father", so to speak. this "father" can take the convicted sinner's sins, and take them up to god.
I guess in a way that by so doing this, the sinner actually bestows the sins upon the "father", in which the "father" then takes them up to christ, thus erasing them completely.
Back to my discussion on techno's idea that there is no hell.
God truly loves, and that love is unconditional, because anyone can repent of the sins that they have committed. This goes to show an example of His love for each and every one of us. His son, christ, was the same way. His son is the likeness of God, so everything the sinner was bestowing on christ, he was in fact bestowing unto God.
The holy spirit is the third likeness of God. He is a guide, showing everyone the way to live, and allowing good to continue to happen throught time. If he was never, then God wouldn't have existed, since he is God himself.
Man, all this jibber-jabber, and i haven't given my opinion of why Jesus is the son of God, so here i go:
Jesus was born to a human couple, mary and joseph. The holy spirit came upon upon mary, and she became pregnant. This is also a sign, that he is the son of man, because he came from a virgin. This was the greatest miracle ever.
"God loved the world, so he sent his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16.
If there was no hell, there would be no need of jesus to save us of our sins, since we are already guaranteed a place in heaven.
Whoever has an idea that god is wretched, that he doesn't love his people at all, needs to go and learn about who god really is. He would then be able to fully understand what god really thinks about his creation.
Christ had a complete knowledge of the Father, and so he could tell it to everyone around him. The jewish sanhedrin wanted none of him, seeing that he wasn't the son at all.
They expected someone, i believe, that wasn't in human form at all. He would probably appear to them from time to time, and preach the news of the father. They thought that jesus was just like them, human at times, but when he did miracles, he was in fact of the evil one. All the teachings he taught, the jewish leaders thought was rubbish, as he was going against their own teachings. They were the law at the time, and they didn't think jesus was higher than they were. That was natural at the time, and in no way was the result of his teachings.
He was constantly "spit" upon with words, and thrown down based on the things that he was teaching to all the jews. He got some of them to follow him, as the devil had only a slim hold on them.
He fought to save humanity, yet they called him down for it!
What good was to come out if no one was willing to listen to him?? He was trying to save, but most of the people around him were giving him a hard time about it. They thought he was just an insane man who had no idea what he was saying, or he was possessed by the devil.
Ok, time for me to stop for now. I might post some more about it later.
You guys are seemingly bickering each other down and not getting anywhere.
Gnome, you seem like you need the most bashing, as you post rediculous "comics" portraying jesus as a manevolant teacher who doesn't care at all of his people.
I'm sure you yourself aren't a christian, but don't hate on us for what we believe in by posting rediculous "comics" the way you see fit, as they are very offensive to me, and probably any other christians. I'm not telling you to stop, but I am saying that that is very offensive.
This is a good debate, and i encourage you all to continue it. I like hearing differing opinions, but opinions of my own are even better.
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Post by king on Nov 28, 2006 19:06:56 GMT -8
i can't be bothered reading all of everyone's opinion so i'll just state mine and move on....what ever that bible says which i think is "jesus is the son of god"....then that's what it is.....and if jesus is also god then that's also what it is...... man this is one weird thread
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Post by tyrantisius on Nov 28, 2006 19:26:50 GMT -8
No one cares. Extremely old thread.
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Post by technohawk on Nov 28, 2006 19:39:57 GMT -8
Leave this be. I will say that I find it amusing about people and these old threads who admit and are proud that they didn't read anything.
LOCK EM SOCK EM ROBOTS!
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Post by porsche944s on Jan 15, 2007 21:10:52 GMT -8
Of course not. I use a condom every time.
Therefore, I have no kids ;]
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Post by Prone on Jan 27, 2007 21:09:34 GMT -8
Of course not. I use a condom every time. Therefore, I have no kids ;] What a perfectly good way to end a dead thread, dude. ¿Necesitas una cervesa con eso?
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