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Post by technohawk on Nov 26, 2006 1:57:35 GMT -8
Cellular memory is a hypothesis that things like memories and interests reside not only in the brain but also in individual cells of the body.
The usual proof of this appears from organ donations. Some patients who received a donor organ testify to having personality changes, changes of taste/style/appetite etc...
So, do you believe that this is or could be true? Or do you think that it's total crap?
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Post by tyrantisius on Nov 26, 2006 11:26:15 GMT -8
Could be true.
And I emphasize COULD.
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Post by dxlightning on Nov 26, 2006 13:01:55 GMT -8
I dunno, it seems to me just knowing you had an organ transplant could be either a traumatizing or epiphantic (yes I'm making words up now) experience. So chances are you're going to psyche yourself into having a personality change.
So yes I think having a transplant could change your personality, and no I don't believe it's because of the organ itself.
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Post by technohawk on Nov 26, 2006 13:52:14 GMT -8
Well the theory goes beyond mere psychological trauma of a transplant.
It stipulates that, as an example, someone who hated mushrooms would get the organ of someone who loved mushrooms. And after the transplant the person with the new organ would all of a sudden love mushrooms.
As to my own opinion I'm undecided. There are also what I assume to be many cases that do not have any effect(or minimal) on the patient with the new organ. But of course, cases where nothing happens don't make the news.
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Post by Prone on Nov 26, 2006 16:25:38 GMT -8
This, to me, sounds pretty weird. Well, the brain is a collection of specialized cells, with each controlling a certain part of the body. Yet, memory resides in other cells? Well, if that were the case, you'd have a lot more memory loss/loss of interests, if it was this way, because when you fall down your cells get injured in a way. So, to me, that doesn't seem feasible. Good topic though.
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Post by technohawk on Nov 26, 2006 17:36:08 GMT -8
This, to me, sounds pretty weird. Well, the brain is a collection of specialized cells, with each controlling a certain part of the body. Yet, memory resides in other cells? Well, if that were the case, you'd have a lot more memory loss/loss of interests, if it was this way, because when you fall down your cells get injured in a way. So, to me, that doesn't seem feasible. Good topic though. I'm still undecided(as previously stated) but I will make arguments for either side if opinions are shared that wouldn't support either side. PTC, unfourtunately your argument wouldn't stand up. 1st the theory is that memory resides in all(or many) cells In Addition to the memory stored in brain cells. Plus if you got injured, there would still be billions of cells in your body with the memories that would compensate for it, if this exists at all. Made me think though. Another note: This phenomenon has been discussed in Speculative Fiction(Sci-Fi/Fantasy) One example is the Dune series by Frank Herbet In the series there is a secret society known as the Tleilaxu. They are able to clone a deceased person from a small amount of cells. The clone is able to recover the full set of memories of the original person without ever being exposed to any information about the original person.
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Post by PhoenixFlare500 on Nov 26, 2006 17:36:10 GMT -8
It stipulates that, as an example, someone who hated mushrooms would get the organ of someone who loved mushrooms. And after the transplant the person with the new organ would all of a sudden love mushrooms. If you got a transplant, you'd still have cells that hate mushrooms (If this idea is indeed true). The cells that hate mushrooms would probably still outnumber the transplanted cells. This doesn't make sense at all.
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Post by tyrantisius on Nov 26, 2006 17:41:05 GMT -8
Seriously, your cells don't have tastes and opinions. It's all in your mind. I never used to like Chinese Food, but I love it now! And I'm pretty sure I haven't had any cell transplants. This whole theory is bogus. All cells live to do is to carry out their purpose, not to tell your mind what to think, which would be f**ked up if you think about it.
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Post by PhoenixFlare500 on Nov 26, 2006 17:42:25 GMT -8
No I believe that the theory comes from the idea that all cells contains DNA which is what governs what we are.
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Post by tyrantisius on Nov 26, 2006 19:46:38 GMT -8
Opinions and tastes have nothing to do with DNA.
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Post by Prone on Nov 26, 2006 20:31:17 GMT -8
Good movie, i have to say.
However, the brain is the only organ that is capable of thought/decisions/other nerological processes. Saying that the cells around the body are capable of this, then they should have neuron connections like the brain does. Suffice to say, once connection stimulates another one, and if you hit yourself in one side of your body, the connection in that part of your body will be lost, and the cells around it will not work the same way. Either they will die out, or they will be reduced.
Sticking to this opinion, i would say that different likes/interests are stored in other parts of the body as well.
Tell me, techno, does your theory state that the cells in all different parts of the body (excluding the brain) have the same ammount of information as in the brain?
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Post by technohawk on Nov 26, 2006 21:51:44 GMT -8
Good movie, i have to say. Better book and better miniseries! Ok one thing I REALLY get tired of is when I CLEARLY state that this is a topic that I Have a neutral or even opposite opinion and SOMEONE!!!!! always gets it in their mind that it's MY theory or something. So for the love of tiny turtles don't misread stuff. Cellular memory is not my theory. It is "a theory" that some scientists have brought up. Those scientists happen to be ridiculed by the community because it is a fairly far-fetched theory. However, I found an article on it and was intrigued and figured I'd start up a good conversation about it here. Yes I'm over reacting, I know. But it's frustrating having a clearly stated opinion misinterpreted. Hell, I've argued both sides of this already.
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Post by Prone on Nov 27, 2006 10:13:26 GMT -8
Tell me, techno, does "this" theory state that the cells in all different parts of the body (excluding the brain) have the same ammount of information as in the brain? I didn't mean your, it was a mistake that i apologize for. I didn't want to misinterpret that it was yours instead.
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