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Post by softspoken on Apr 17, 2007 12:29:37 GMT -8
I know he's just a friggin' puppet. But I'm not a media follower either, I hear shit first hand through family members that get unjustly treated in the states.
Many of them.
dude, I'm no media whore. I mean, I face the real fact, not ALL of Bush is bad, I guess... but for the most part, he's created a lot of damage in his own country and not to mention other countries, and for what?
it's f**king bullshit greed.
I think the whole politics they're running is an act, a scam.
that's my belief.
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Post by dxlightning on Apr 17, 2007 12:41:58 GMT -8
Well, I'll agree politics definitely isn't as noble as it was when the framers were alive  |
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Post by tyrantisius on Apr 17, 2007 12:57:02 GMT -8
What's a bushist?
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Post by softspoken on Apr 17, 2007 13:44:57 GMT -8
um.
someone who is into Bushism
duh.
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Post by rabidgecko on Apr 17, 2007 14:41:32 GMT -8
i dont know about whether you can blame any one thing for the things that happened. legalizing guns isn't the issue. if people are bent on doing what happened in virginia, they would find a way to get those guns whether legally or illegally. the problem might be deeper than anything any government than reach. you might go so far as to say its a problem with the mentality and mindset of the country itself or just certain groups/individuals, just as you might say the same for the roots of the actions in the middle east.
my point is lets stop the blame game because that gets everyone angry. and lets stop the "oh we are better than you because we have this or you don't do it this way" game because that doesn't help much either.
there should be a serious study into what differences exist between america and the collective majority of, lets say, europe, and try to figure out why and what the difference is that leads to these actions more often in a country like the states compared to another, while certain other actions/events may be more common outside the us
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Post by death0817 on Apr 17, 2007 18:35:36 GMT -8
This is disgusting. I can't watch the news without crying.
I have a few friends at VT. Fortunatly, they are fine.
I still can't believe.
Makes me scared to go to class.
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Post by doom3x on Apr 17, 2007 19:28:17 GMT -8
Glad to hear your friends are ok Death. And in response to previous posts...from what I've gleaned from the news thus far, his motivation had nothing whatsoever to do with politics of any kind, American or otherwise. His was apparently a personal grudge against someone (a girlfriend I believe I read somewhere). No country is without its psychopaths, and they don't always announce themselves as such before they commit atrocities.
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Post by Prone on Apr 18, 2007 5:46:39 GMT -8
Well from what I heard, there were two different places where there was a massacre. First, the dorm, second, the school. He killed the RA in the dorm, and he was headed over to the school, primarily at first to find his girlfriend, which he wanted to kill (Honestly!!!!!). Well, he couldn't find her, so he probably had a sudden reason, since she was gone, to want to kill everyone that he could. He was probably mad that she wasn't there, and so he let off on his anger, and that's what drove him to do this dirty deed.
Well, Rabid, I do think that gun control is a part of the problem, but not as a whole. Yet, if there were strict gun control laws, where only persons above 40 were able to get a gun, then I'm sure it would have never happened. You can't really blame politics, on a whole, on the problem though.
This kid was probably just sick of the way his life was treating him, and his girlfriend just made it worse.
The Middle East is a crappy place to live in. I'm just so glad our country doesn't have to be in that sort of a crap-hole. This sort of thing won't get any better. It will only get worse.
You can count on that!
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Post by softspoken on Apr 18, 2007 12:40:20 GMT -8
I heard it was ex-girlfriend.
whatever.
and I don't believe that if the gun control issue was age it wouldn't have happened. people can get anything, any time, anywhere. how the hell do people buy ILLEGAL drugs all the effing time?
Easy.
Ummm and can you stop GENERALIZING.. it is not ALL of the Middle East, okay?
thanks.
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Post by grayfox7 on Apr 18, 2007 15:26:34 GMT -8
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Post by tyrantisius on Apr 18, 2007 16:07:50 GMT -8
Well that was certainly interesting to watch....he makes some valid points o.o
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Post by doom3x on Apr 18, 2007 22:00:56 GMT -8
I hope that was sarcasm tyrant. He makes no valid points...he's got classic signs of an inferiority complex so pathological that he feels the only way to achieve parity with those around him is by equalizing the playing field with both sides being dead...about as equal as you can get. And if I'm not mistaken...he compares himself to Jesus at one point? When you actually believe in a Messiah complex...well...that's that.
As far as gun control is concerned...gun control has nothing to do with this. Determined people will always find a way to achieve the ends they desire. Why do you think there are sites detailing how you can turn semi-automatic weapons into illegal automatics? Information is free, and that's all you really need. And to take the opposite side of the coin...even if every other student on the campus had a weapon the body count would have been the same. Only the truly maniacal or soulless individual is capable, in his delirium, of taking life. A college student with a gun who has no clue how, and no desire to, use it, is not going to stop the guy who knows, and wants to use it. Putting guns in the hands of everyone is wrong, and trying to take guns out of the hands of everyone is equally wrong...there is NO right answer to the question, and smarter people than I will be debating the issue long after I'm dead. It's that simple.
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Post by rabidgecko on Apr 18, 2007 22:28:05 GMT -8
thanks for everyone repeating what i said about gun control a whiles back  oh well, it just goes to reaffirm our correctness on that point |
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Post by tranceeagle on Apr 18, 2007 22:36:28 GMT -8
What I'd like to see developed is a way where the warning signs for people like this can be assessed without too much effort.
So then the future shooters can ideally get the help they need so nothing like this ever happens again.
Although I'm not sure it was involved in this case, bullying seems to be a large factor in a lot of these shootings. So curbing that would be ideal as well.
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Post by tyrantisius on Apr 19, 2007 10:03:39 GMT -8
This is what happens when I forget my sarcasm tags.
In any case, I just can't see how bullying can drive someone to such extreme measures. So yeah, he was a bit loopy.
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oh well, it just goes to reaffirm our correctness on that point